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Extraction Magic

One of the points that I try to convey in my course is the difference between a quality that is inherent of a correspondence that magicians use as a tool to do magic. Most things like elements and directions, or planetary hours and days, are IMO a correspondence that magicians use to do magic and not inherently true. For instance I do not think that the west is inherently more watery, of that Thursdays are inherently more Jupitarian than Saturdays.

Just like a scientist might take a cell and use enzymes and alcohol to extract the DNA, magicians use colors, directions, days, and hours to extract the force that we want to address in our magic.  Certainly some people believe that these things are inherent, and that their system of hours, days, etc is the correct one. They believe Thursday is more Jupiter than Saturday as sure as the sun is in the sky, and that is fine – I am not really writing this to convince them otherwise. I am writing this because if you don’t think that way, some things can throw you…

Once you start adhering to a system you begin standing in its current, and those things can effect you even if you unknowingly make a mistake. Just because it’s a tool, does not mean that it is all in your head. If you start invoking elements and planets using the Pentagram and Hexagram directions, but you cock up the direction there is every chance that you will get the result of the mistake, rather than the intent.

If a deity does not have a planetary correspondence or direction, there is no NEED to assign one. Use the name and symbols and history. No need to limit yourself. You CAN assign one, but be careful. In the process of seeking to find a special time or direction, you might be limiting yourself in other ways.

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Andrieh Vitimus

“There may be no ultimate truth”.

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Inominandum

It’s not really about ultimate or relative truth though. Its a scale.

I don’t think that the Eartj revolving around the sun is ultimately true because ultimately I think that everything is maya and illusory. In the relative sense though I certainly adhere to the truth of it and am bound by things like gravity etc.

Things like Iron being apotroaic, and triangles trapping spirits are things that are pretty universal and at least from my experience have a level of relative truth to them that is inherent beyond system or geography or whatever.

Systems of hours, colors, and directions are significantly less so.

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Blogos

While I agree in general I think one of the sad side effects of this kind of advice has been to trap many practitioners in intellectual loops and spiritual tourism, trapping them at the level of Mercury.

I think devotion a la the Philosophus rites is necessary in the full development of the Will – one has to learn to manipulate their belief and not to undermine everything with skepticism or ”this is just a tool” etc before, perhaps, they are ready. A bit like foci and arete in the Mage game.

I believe in the end that one has to cultivate a kind of double-think between reason and faith. Now I understand that you yourself were a devotee and moved into these realms from there, so I understand that you get your advice at the ”dzogchen” level (?) and ”have faith” (can direct your own will or pure belief) but many do not and I think they find it difficult to jump – I honestly think they end up undermining their own work with skepticism.

Beyond that however, one of the things I love about the deeepest levels of QBL, stripping it of 777 style clutter, is that we are fundamentally dealing with things that actually exist – geometry, space, the spectrum of meaning… and it brings it all down to Mathematics in the end.

There is a huge argument about whether mathematics is a tool or whether it is the fundamental nature of reality – rather than matter we could think of it as mather. 😉 Or the mathematical results we acquire could simply be the artefacts of our own observation… confounded by our own tongues.

I also think if this post is regarding the breaking of various astrological rules that you have been doing of late my own opinion is that we should distinguish between spirits/gods etc and forces/currents and I think you have been absolutely right in advising the course you have.

Do I have to work with Mars for a smiting or can Jupiter handle it? This is what you were saying about working with deities/spirits you have close relationships with regarding general problems and not just limiting them to their traditional ”sphere” Do I have to work with Venus to get laid or can Jupiter handle it? 😉

This all said I would love to see you develop the theme of ”post-Chaos” which surfaced once on your blog. I think it is very relevant.

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Guy Glas

Great Article Jason!
What are your thoughts on Goetics. ie Even days after the new moon to 14 , clear weather, before Noon after Noon, I find effects stronger when I follow the rules, (even when I felt nobody showed). Some say it doesn’t matter, any thoughts?

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Christian de T

This is soothing to hear after seeing tomes of correspondences that felt so rigid, and for me, lacking strong personal connections. I spent these last decades following what works for me, which doesn’t always agree with long-established lists. It’s been one of the strong reasons I’ve not entered any systematic learning, they felt so dogmatic, and no (apparently) inclination to change.
My foray into Chaos Magic fueled that drive to avoid those groups, yet, never wandered long in those fields either.

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    Sef Salem

    I’d say it’s the old adage that the map is not the territory: you can navigate by the landscape or compass, but using the right map is only helpful if you can read it anyway; using the wrong map is downright unhelpful.

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Sef Salem

Certainly chimes with my own experience after the extensive crash course in Planetary magick. I’m with Logan regarding the evolution of a relationship with spirits, certainly, and using such tools to boost the signal as one approaches a spirit creates sympathetic links which reduce the energy required for that initial contact.

Thank you Jason. 🙂

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