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My Poor Magician Post

Strat Sor envelope orangeSo the Pagan and Occult world has exploded with chatter this week about an article in Patheos called “A Poor Magician Is A Poor Magician”. The article is pretty well reasoned and doesnt accuse anyone of anything, and just makes some common sense suggestions. The comments in forums, facebook, and elsewhere however have veered into the absurd.

As the author of Financial Sorcery, a book that took a pretty strong position on this issue, I was tempted to start commenting all over the place, but to save time I figured I would just do a post here on the article and on several positions that people have since taken regarding it.

IS A MAGICIAN WITHOUT MONEY BAD AT MAGIC?

It depends. Is money even on their radar? Being a magician means a lot of different things to different people. If their practice is not really much about material prosperity and practical sorcery than I would hesitate to judge them based on that. You see Christians all the time assuming that people with lower means are not as blessed by god, and you see Buddhists blaming the poor for their bad karma. These are examples of people being shitty Christians and Buddhists though, and has little reflection on the spiritual worth of the person they are judging. Let’s not have magicians and pagans start doing the same.

Maybe their practice does involve practical sorcery, but they are simply existing at a lower economic strata than what is normally considered middle class. Jack Faust pointed out in a facebook post that just because he strikes a deal with a fairy to never starve does not mean that the fairy is going to make him rich, and that there is a long history of magic of the lower classes. This is very true, but just because something is tradition does not make it very good or wise. I have been down and out in life, and I have studied magic that is stems from that place in life.  Some of the practices and mind-set that comes with that reinforces that state. Is it bad magic? No, there is beauty and power in it, but that doesn’t make it good magic for dealing with money either. If you are happy then its good. If you are constantly bitching about you lot in life, then yes, its bad magic – do something else.

As for the person who is a full on Sorcerer, claims that their magic effects material reality, and that betterment of circumstances is part of that success, yet is constantly in financial disarray – yes, that person is a shitty magician. Too many people have taken high titles and bragged about the worldly power that their magic gives them, yet cannot seem to afford even the basics. I judge those people by the criteria that they set for themselves. I cannot seriously take your talk of being one of the “elite” when you cannot afford the payments on your Ford Focus.

This is not to say that good magicians will not have financial woes from time to time. Everyone has problems – its how you handle them that makes you a good magician and wise person financially.

This is also not to say that people must live opulently. I don’t, and chances are that if you are a magician, money is not your first love in life, and thus you may not be working as a hedge fund manager.*  No one is saying you need to be rich, I am just talking about not wallowing in fiscal chaos.

FINANCIAL SKILLS

In reading through the responses of many people that felt compelled to defend their lifestyles and lack of financial stability in the face of this article, I found one that made an astonishing statement, that I must quote here.

“Lack of Financial Skills has nothing to do with why people are poor”.

Now I get what this person is hopefully trying to say: that race, class, and the general downturn of the economy places people in shitty positions. Too many people of privilege have thought of the poor as lazy because they truly have no idea what it is to not have opportunity. That said: your financial skills have nothing to do with it? Come on, of course they do.

In almost every situation there are factors that are not in your control, and there are factors that are. We should never let the factors that are out of our control, be an excuse for not working with the factors that are.

I hate it when people on the right say that the poor should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work harder – it does not address the root causes of poverty in the country and is an unreasonable response to give to the millions of people that live in poverty in this country. Here’s a secret though: It IS good advice to give to an individual with no catastrophic mental or physical conditions.

Thinking that it is only your race, class, age, area, or the general downturn of the economy that are keeping you in poverty is foolish. Those things certainly can be stacked against you, but if you think it is the only thing that matters then you are dooming yourself to your situation because you have removed even the hope of making a better world for yourself. And yes, THAT would make you a poor magician.

THE MONK THING

The original article spoke about those that sacrifice material comfort for spirituality, and specifically mentioned Monks.

“Monks agree to live in great simplicity and at times in deprivation.  It’s a hard life that’s not for everyone, but most of us can recognize the monks’ poor material condition is a sign of spiritual maturity, not weakness.”

There are several things wrong here.

First is that the monks poor material condition is not a sign of his spiritual maturity, its a path to spiritual maturity. People become Monks for all kinds of reasons, they may just have no where else to turn. I have seen Buddhist monks sneak out of the gompa to gamble, get into knife fights with each other, and gather at a room to watch porn: trust me the robes and the lack of cash does not make one holy. It can make you holy if you take it as a path, but it is not a sign of your spiritual maturity.

Second is that Monks and Nuns who are serious about it have chosen to REALLY make non-materialism part of their spiritual journey. People that are 40 years old and work a shitty retail job they hate are not expressing spiritual maturity and non-materialism. They are expressing bad choices that they have made and the terrible state of the economy that may have forced them into those choices.

I have a lot of respect for Monks and Nuns, and I have a lot of respect for poor wandering Yogi’s. Please do not compare your retail or warehouse job to that kind of commitment.

THE FINANCIAL APOCALYPSE

In the days since the article came out I have seen ever increasing talk of the financial apocalypse. It went from people talking about the “shrinking middle class” to “there is NO middle class”. It went from “fewer opportunities” to “zero opportunities”.

To be sure, the economy is not what it once was, but those of us that have lived in places where there really is no middle class can tell you that, yes, there still is a middle class in America and there will be for quite a while to come. There are still opportunities to be had. There are still ways to move upward. Yes, they take more will and skill and determination than they did for earlier generations but the opportunities are there.

In the last week I have seen way to many people treat the economy as an excuse to do nothing. The irony is that for all the privilege middle class white people have in this country, and trust me we have a lot, it is largely white people born to middle class families that I have seen use the economy as an excuse. African Americans and immigrants are already used to not having the world handed to them on a platter, and so maybe are not quite as quick to use these factors as an excuse.

YOU CAN DO EFFECTIVE MAGIC AND STILL BE A BAD MAGICIAN

Getting back to the original topic of magic – if your magic is not creating opportunity for what you are aiming at, then yes you are bad at it. If you are aiming magic at improving your financial situation and you are living in a constant state of abject poverty and chaos then yet, you are a bad magician.

Since writing Financial Sorcery and getting to talk with a lot more people on this topic I have discovered that there are a lot of people who fall into a category that some people do not even know exists: those who can do effective magic, but are still bad magicians.

You see, being a magician is about more than just effective spells. It’s about using it to attain things that will be useful. Its about making your mundane efforts meet your magical ones. It’s about moving along a path and not just zapping situations willy nilly.

I have met magicians who conjure work almost instantly, but refuse to place any magic towards job training. I have met magicians who can conjure exact amounts needed in an emergency but would never even think of conjuring for money to be put into savings. I have met magicians who are so incredibly effective at enchanting minds, and situations that they have been stuck in the same shitty relationships, jobs, and hovels for DECADES longer than they should have because they were able to use magic to keep the statues quo. That is a danger of magic worse than any demon.

THE ONLY QUESTION THE MATTERS

Are you a poor magician? I dunno.  Do you like your life?

Thats what it really boils down to: DO YOU LIKE YOUR LIFE?

If so then no matter what your financial state, you are probably a good magician.

If you don’t like your life, and you hate living in financial chaos, but you resent being thought of as a poor magician because of that then the question is: WHAT DOES MAKE YOU A GOOD MAGICIAN?

 

 

 

 

 

*Though since writing Financial Sorcery and starting doing consultations I am FLOORED at the amount of Hedge Fund Managers, Brokers, Investors, and High End Accountants that are really VERY good magicians.

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TerriLynn

Thank you!!!!!!!

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John Beckett

Thanks for adding your expertise to this discussion, Jason.

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M.G.

Well, this one’s a sore point for me. I’ve had people tell me I’m a good magician and I’ve certainly done some impressive magical feats (that’s admittedly an arbitrary description) but I’ve never been able to conjure up a good job that lasts despite “elite” academic credentials. I’ve tried every mundane and magical trick, talked to professionals in both material and spiritual fields, but no dice. Maybe the fatalist side of Buddhism is right and I really do have bad economic karma.

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Daphne Brito

I loved your article. It reminded me the “homework” I should do to improve my life not just financially but in the other targets I have.
One of the things that draw my attention in your books, and in the exercises that you describe in the books, is the fact that we should be in authority position when doing a spell. I think the same can be done for our way of life. we own our paths, so we should conduct it using our abilities . In the end, Bold goals requires bold actions and efforts.

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Anna H.

Bravo.

Deeply held and semi-unconscious assumptions and thought processes have a lot to do with this. I think most people still assume that if money flows to them, then it must flow away from another person and therefore deprive that other person of money. In other words, for me to prosper, someone else must give it up and suffer. However, I don’t think it works that way. The world of money beyond the paycheck world is so fluid, so ephemeral, with vast amounts of wealth being gained and lost on a second-by-second basis, with wealth really being electronic pulses in computer networks, that more than enough of that can flow my way to satisfy my rather-modest needs without depriving anybody of anything. That removed the guilt for me of doing money magick (although I am still careful to state that no, I don’t want anyone to die so I can get enough money to replace my old car and pay cash).

I also know, from experience, that turning in job application after job application, accompanied by the fiercest of spells, will not get you that job if very deep inside, you don’t want those jobs or really need to be working on something else. At that point it’s best to do some deep introspective work and/or divination and figure out what the hell it is you’re supposed to be doing at that time, and flow with that.

Along those lines, as someone self-employed in a nurturing profession, I walk closely enough with my divine allies now that when I need some time to get other things done, or have some emotional situation going on that drains my internal resources, then my phone will fall silent and I’ll have a period with few or no clients. That’s when I have to “read” what’s going on with me, do whatever it is I need to do, and then say, “okay divine boys and girls, you can start sending me clients again.” And then they’ll flood in. My old therapist taught me this and it’s the same with her.

I think living a magickal life demands that we examine all of our underlying assumptions about money, power, energy, the external world, and our divine relationship and NOT assume that for us, it’s business as usual.

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Justin Moore

I read Frederick Douglas’ “Self-Made Man” speech recently and thought it was inspiring.
Maybe some other mage’s will as well. Remember where he came from and what he achieved. Here is a link to the speech for anyone who is interested:
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/07/11/manvotional-self-made-men-by-frederick-douglass/

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Rose Weaver

Well said. I especially enjoy your comments about Monks.

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Christopher Lung

your final question reminded me of something a therapist friend of mine asks some of his clients.

“Are your physical, emotional, mental and spiritual needs being met?”

If no, then do something to get them fulfilled. If yes, then why are bothering me for?

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Sarow

I’ve observed through out my life that many a fortune’s is determined by their emotional stability. Not saying “poor people are insane” but the self control needed to get ahead dwindles if one isnt all there.

“Maybe the fatalist side of Buddhism is right and I really do have bad economic karma.”

Money flows from other people. Not from a job and not due to your credentials. Money is nothing more then approval points.

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Ulysses

I think this is all sound advice. I’m improving my budgeting skills, doing magic aimed at moving my set point. Thinking more seriously about my priorities and acting my best towards the goals that are truly mine.

I do wish to zoom in on the “it’s worse elsewhere meme” that you seem to tout now and again. It’s one of the few things in your books and course that I look unto suspiciously. I don’t suspect you s an individual, but I certainly suspect the “it’s worse elsewhere” idea. In part because it’s the type of meme people who’ve desired to wield power over me have rehashed. “It’s worse elsewhere so shut up and eat your potatoes” kind of thing. It’s the sort of meme that distracted me from pursuing my dreams for decades and in doing, delayed and frustrated my path to personal sovereignty (financial included). I feel the financial archons may use (or perhaps designed?) this meme to keep the slaves in check. Really, you can ALWAYS find worse. It’s pretty much a fact. But, I resent the possible implication that we shouldn’t be pissed the fuck off about the current economic situation which is in dire straits because of obviously criminal (to put it lightly) activity.

I’m with you where you seem to be coming from which I interpret as being “don’t wallow in your dissatisfaction, move through it”. But, there’s just something… niggling about the wording. I’m quite convinced that North Americans (and possibly the globe) have reason to be deeply concerned about their cognitive liberty and this in turn deeply affects their potential for financial sovereignty. It’s basic odds math.

There is danger in the stagnation of dissatisfaction as there is danger in ignoring of the threat of complete collapse caused by greedy people with access to what seems to be monumentally powerful tech.

I have no solution or actionable insight unfortunately (other than to basically keep moving forward as intelligently as possible). It’s just something on my mind I want to toss in for discussion. This issue of cognitive liberty seems intimately tied into financial sovereignty. And I think toxic memes have a sneaky way of creeping into otherwise sterile environments.

Great post! It’s got me thinking more intensely.

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    inominandum

    It’s worse elsewhere is not an excuse to ignore or minimize our own economic situation. I mention it for three reasons:

    1. It is a warning. Want to see what a de-regulated utopia is like? Visit Somalia. Want to see what happens when all the wealth is concentrated in small numbers to the point where most people cannot even live comfortable lives – visit Nepal. We should be pissed as fuck and looking at places where it is worse saying “NO! I am not waiting until we get there.”

    2. It’s a way to realize that we do have opportunity, and lots of it. The direction our economy and policy is going is terrible, but it ain’t over yet. People who feel like you should just give up, need to find those opportunities and take them.

    3. Its a reality check. If you think that the richest 10% of the country has a responsibility to the rest of society (and I do) that that begs the question: what responsibility does the richest 10% of the people worldwide owe to mankind in general. Its an important question because I would wager that over half the people that read this blog fall into that category.

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Soror AMY

Believe it or not I had a (former) mentor who said that all the great magickians such as Dee lived in poverty, so it was ok for him. I was skeptical of that and of the excuses he used to give about the economy being bad and that’s why he couldn’t get a job. Now I know he has serious head issues.

Your post is great, and got me to thinking about my own relationship with money, and asking myself basic questions. Thank you.

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ConjureMan Ali

I could not agree more with you. Well said!

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Lloyd Wagner

Well said!

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Etain

Thank you for your words on this, you have reminded me that self responsibility and positive reinforcement is key to having a stable life, and if desirable, a stable financial life. I’ve been really bogged down from financial struggle at the moment, and feeling really tired of it. If I could add a few things however, I would be grateful for your ears and thoughts in return!

I agree that we need to be motivated towards a solution, and also that we should not abdicate self -responsibility in favour of a bitterness towards external circumstances that have impacted our situation. But I also think it is important that we support each other, and listen to each other, about financial difficulty.

I went through care, and since I was taken away from the last dysfunctional foster home at 16, I was on my own with my finances. I never had a parent or relative to give me money in tough situations, anything I’ve ever had from there was something I’ve had to work for. I am one of the lucky ones though – I had developed a knack for communicating well with people and so have always been favourable to employers, because I managed to carry myself professionally. This isn’t something a lot of people in my position have the skills and confidence to pull off. In fact, care leavers or not, for lots of different reasons, people of a variety of backgrounds find it difficult to play ‘the game’ that enables them to attract money, and feel disheartened by the process. And that’s ok. It’s ok to feel upset, frustrated, angry and tired out about financial stability, and the stress it creates is a very real thing.

Magic is a means for changing and creating balance in your life, I understand that. So a good magician has balance in all areas. But part of balance is allowing yourself, and other people, to express stress. Being a good magician is also about being to be a good listener, I think. When and if people are financially struggling, which a lot of people are, we need to support and listen to each other’s difficulties, not just tell them the answer to it. Sometimes people don’t need to be given a solution, because sometimes the solution is to feel encouraged and supported by being listened to.

If this is the case, then we are all involved in how good the other is as a magician. We have a collective responsibility to support people in need, by accepting their struggles as real, not just by telling them what they haven’t done to achieve their ends, I think. I think maybe this is why people have become defensive about this topic – I think a lot of people are in a position where they feel very alone in their financial situation, and it can be difficult to be told that you are somehow to blame for that, especially when like me, you work hard and have had further to throw for the catch. This doesn’t mean it’s ok to simmer in mire about it, or become bitter, as I said earlier. I view my experiences as beneficial to my spiritual growth, and so I am sure do many other people. Do the things you need to do to get your life in balance, financial or otherwise. But also let’s listen to the people who are struggling, and encourage them too.

I just wanted to add this, as although I agree with everything you say (and I’m sure you are a great listener!) there are other approaches to assisting people who are having a tough time getting things in balance.

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    Ulysses

    “We have a collective responsibility to support people in need, by accepting their struggles as real, not just by telling them what they haven’t done to achieve their ends.”

    Pow! Right in the heart!

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    inominandum

    Yes, we need to listen and accept that their struggles are real. Absolutely. But it’s the mix of talking and listening vs action that is important. It is also the type of listening we do.

    If all you have is four hours a week to spare because you need to work two jobs to survive, and it comes down to taking a course in those four hours, or talking with people on the internet about how screwed up everything is, you are much better served by taking the class.

    80% work and 20% talk, not the other way around.

    If you are talking with people in a support group, among friends, or online and sharing your story of how you wound up in dire straits, the pain it is causing you and your loved ones, and how you are planning to turn it around then its good for you and for others. You feel affirmed that what happened to you is happening to others, and that things may never be as they were, but that there is hope.

    If however you are talking with people and you share the story of how you wound up in dire straits, the pain it is causing you, and how there is nothing you can do because you wound up here through no fault of your own and society is crumbling, then you might feel better that people are affirming it is not your fault, but there is no hope attached to it. Only the comfort that you are not alone.

    See what I mean?

    The solution to money problems is never just to feel encouraged or affirmed. If someone has a plan and wants an ear, I am happy to lend an ear without offering anything in the way of a solution. If however someone has no plan and no idea how to even make a plan – they need action.

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      Ngawang

      Maybe my observation is off, but over the past few months, I’ve noticed an increasingly strong trend of identifying with one’s weaknesses. It’s just that there are a lot of socio-political memes floating around that glorify victimhood – “mansplaining,” “shaming,” “trigger warnings,” etc. None of these existed, at least to my knowledge, more than a year ago, and now they’ve sprung into existence like mushrooms after a rainstorm.

      I’m not trying to make a political point, even though it sounds like I am – the politics are incidental. Everything I listed has one feature in common – they go beyond merely acknowledging that you’ve been harmed, that you’re at a disadvantage that you otherwise wouldn’t be (and in what follows, I’m trying to express something that’s been at the back of my mind for a week or two now, so forgive me if the concept isn’t quite formed) to encouraging, and to some extent even glorifying, a complete and total identification with your weaknesses, with the shadow, with the pain that haunts you from the past. It seems that victimhood is being glorified. It seems that people are coming to believe that being able to say, “I am a victim!” somehow sets them apart from the sociopaths who run things. It reminds me a lot of what Nietzsche said – that people who have done badly in this world comfort themselves with the idea that those who have done better, have only done better because they fit in well with a fundamentally evil world.

      On the other hand, maybe I am noticing this because of the argument with my friend that I mentioned to you on Facebook. It just seems that a lot of people are finding comfort in the idea that being a Victim makes you morally pure or righteous or something. It doesn’t. It just means that you need to do a better job of letting go of the past. At the risk of stating my point too strongly, the pain that haunts you from the past isn’t something to wear over your heart. It’s something that should be hunted down and killed.

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        Sarow

        “I’m not trying to make a political point, even though it sounds like I am – the politics are incidental. ”
        The person who explains this to the hilt is Eric Hoffer in true believer.

        Whats happening is the frustration resulting from the economic stagnation.

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Morgan Ravenwood

Sometimes “money magick” can have unforeseen drawbacks. If you do a working to draw money to your life, it may come in a way that you would not have wished for. It helps to have a strong visualization as to how you would LIKE for it to happen, but that doesn’t always work, either. ANY kind of magickal working, especially for personal gain, carries a lot of responsibility and not a little bit of risk.

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    inominandum

    Yes, and just recently someone I know of actually had the almost cliche event happen where they enchant for a large sum of money without having any plan or channel for that money to come in through and a relative died.

    This is WHY I wrote a book on Financial Sorcery. This is why I stress having multiple streams of income, at least one of the scalable. This is why I push people to do magic to build wealth rather than avert disaster.

    There are a LOT of methods to prevent what you are talking about, that that is a whole other topic.

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Sarow

“This is WHY I wrote a book on Financial Sorcery. This is why I stress having multiple streams of income, at least one of the scalable.”

This is why I wish someone with experience would write about the common cliched outcomes of various wishes and how to have it stated specifically in another way which would generate a healthier outcome.

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inominandum

I have a whole course dedicated to it. 🙂

It is what I have made my career on, and the reason for all the successful field reports I post.

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arjil

Well said and for the vast majority of it, I quite agree. Pretty much the same argument I wanted to make when I read that article. If you’re content and life consistently goes the way you want and more importantly need it to (even, or perhaps especially accounting for “shit happens”)- yes, good magus. If your life consistently Sucks- bad magus, and quite possibly cursing yourself.
I find that the major problem people have with wealth sort of magick, is that
1) magick often seems better or more efficient at supplying Needs than Wants in a survival sense (or people are more focused by Need than Want, and thus more successful)
2) it’s so often a matter of split focus- ie: what their whole Being wants is what the money can get them, be it security or toys, yet they throw for the money which isn’t really the point. Throwing for what they really Want, and allowing the magick to move through the path of least resistance is, in my experince, far more successful.
and 3) magick can only (typically) deliver that which most closely matches your intent within your sphere of influence.
anyway- well said.

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Freeman

This is an example of something that should have been common sense, and thus another mark in the “Mark Twain was a prophet” column.

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    inominandum

    Half my blog is stuff that should be common sense. I used to not write about it because I though “Oh thats common sense”. When I do write about it, they wind up being my post popular posts.

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      Sarow

      With respect, magic is not common sense and I have learned the hard way what I believe to be common sense would not be your common sense and vice versa. Stating such things may save someone hardship or undue trouble.

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Meself

What about those who can perform magic extremely effectively, but absolutely hate the current socioeconomic system so much that they refuse to use magic to fit into it better? To such a person every dollar of fiat money for example may be nothing but a symbol of the value being placed on force and fraud, which can easily lead to interesting results magically-how many of us for example cast spells specifically to protect ourselves from force and fraud? If you see government issued currency as being such then you may find yourself protected quite well indeed.

The effects of ones worldview are something to consider, and not necessarily in a “these are the values you need to give up” way; if your spell isn’t compatible with your deepest values you might want to change it to something that is.

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    Inominandum

    I respect such views but like the Monk or wandering Yogi you need to shit or get off the pot.

    It is not a matter of your values and your magic being in line. It is a matter of practicality.

    If you believe that the entire economy is force and fraud then you need to do what it takes to extricate yourself from it. Generate your own power, grow your food, live off the grid. Limit your income to real work that you do off the books for people like handyman stuff and limit your needs to fit that budget. You would be using magic, and lots of it, to create an extraordinary life.

    I have the HIGHEST respect for this. I respect it more than the path I have chosen for myself in fact.

    If however you are just working a dead end retail job for 45 hours a week and refuse to get a career because you feel it would be participating in the a system of fraud then I have no respect for that. That’s not dedication, that’s laziness masquerading as activism.

    The practical realities of the economy will hit as you get older – usually around age 60 when its not quite so comfortable to live hand-to-mouth and too late to get re-trained for anything meaningful. You realize that you need meds, and comfort, and you have another 30-40 years of life ahead of you that are just going to get harder.

    Basically, whatever you do, think about the implications over the long run.

    JAson

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