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The Results of a 20 year long Chaos Magic working

20 years ago in 1995, I set about exploring the frontiers of Chaos Magic theory, most espcecially the theory that it is belief itself that powers magic rather than what is believed in. I noted though that many chaos magicians were getting less stellar results than traditional mages. This, I theorized, was due to Chaos Mages not being able to reach a deep enough Belief State (BS), precisely because somewhere in their conscious mind they knew that it they were only fabricating the belief state (F-ing BS) for that one working, as opposed to believing whole-heartedly in the beings invoked and perusing the traditional training associated with such beings in order to reach a Deep enough Belief State. (Deep B.S.)

The problem was posed by Peter Carroll himself when he pointed out that Homeopathy would not work for him, precisely because he knows how it works.

In order to remedy this and reach a state of DEEP BS, in 1995, I placed myself into a trance state so that I could forget what I knew about Chaos Magic, and even actually reject it, in order to fully immerse myself in BS. The trance was supposed to last for 20 weeks, but due to some minor miscalculations it has lasted 20 YEARS.

So the bad news is that my work in Tibetan Buddhism, Christianity, Hekate work, and Strategic Sorcery has all been one long Chaos Magic experiment gone longer than expected.

The good news is that I have been able to achieve TOTAL BS!

April 1st 2015

Jason Miller

 

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Bill Trumpler

“I noted though that many chaos magicians were getting less stellar results than traditional mages. ”

Man, that gets said a lot, yet I have known many who were getting better results than they got from “traditional” schools, quite often better or at least equal results to traditional practitioners, and still know some very effective magicians who are Chaos Magic practitioners that still merrily go in being good at sorcery while adhering to the CMT presuppositions. Their method has not actually been refuted beyond anecdotes any more than the Chaos Magicians themselves actually refuted traditionalism.

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Bill Trumpler

In other words, I could just as easily say that I have noted that many traditional mages are gettng less stellar results than Chaos mages. Hell, I know some new age types who seem to get better results than both traditional and chaos mages.

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Inominandum

You do realize this is an April Fools Post right?

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    S. A. Smith

    Drat! I was just about to go along but you posted this before I could. Oh well.

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Bill Trumpler

Yes, but you have said that about CMT and leveled that particular crticism repeatedly on many other days, my brother

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Bill Trumpler

Yes, but you have said that about CMT and leveled that particular crticism repeatedly on many other days, my brother 😉 My retort is meant in levity and fun. It’s not meant to be bristly or angsty, lol! But I do stand by it!

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Andrieh Vitimus

Nice April 1st

In non-jest, I would like to say most serious non-internet chaos magicians I know get far better results then the “traditional magician” by a fair margin although they tend to specialize after a while ( or approach paradigm shifting less gingerly, but still do it).

not that I believe that a “traditional magician” exists at all anymore as I have said so many times….

not that I believe a Chaos magician exists anymore at all either.

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    Inominandum

    Andrieh,

    I actually COMPLETELY agree with you. I look at Gordon and yourself as examples of this. In many ways you get better results than the “traditional” for the same reason that i think Strategic Sorcerers do:

    1. Magic that focuses on the world we live in today, not Renaissance Europe, not 2nd century Greece, not 1920’s rural America, but 2015 wherever you happen to live.

    2. Realizing that Spirits are only PART of the magic, not the whole damn thing.

    3. Realizing that there IS a difference between spirits and fictional characters, and that while there is an overlap each can be worked – just for different reasons.

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      Andrieh Vitimus

      For point 3 I will just say I neither agree or disagree… and this topic is one that I will just say I more and more think it depends on the fictional character and the spirit in question…. really I have struggled with this point for a while and think I have the start of a workable model ( no I am unwilling to accept that because something is called spirit its is functional different from fictional charectors by the naming covention alone, and no I am unwilling to accept that all fictional characters are not spirits or that they upon being evoked have the limited dimensionality of fictional charecters)…. Of course, the crazy crazy elements of this is that working with the fae and trying to actually Write that magic out is why I have to develop a working model, and when/how the dimensionality of the fictional charector seems to enlarge to what might be considered “spirit” but thats just a long pet research thing I have been working on for a while. … That and fine tuning the line between spirit medium and artist in a culture that fundamentally thinks outside of Demons and Angels ( Christian stuff), spirits are bullshit.. That longer model, well who knows it probably will be in the fae book 😉 when that gets done and Finance isn’t beating me up.

      Although in general each fictional character or spirit can be worked, for different reasons.

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        Stone Dog

        I’d say that warrants a follow-up post on the topic, Jason. Pretty please with a cherry on top? 🙂

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      Bill Trumpler

      Both you and Andrieh bring up points I can get behind. Like Andrieh, I am undecided about point 3, but 1 & 2 ring true to my experience.

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      Matt

      As a writer I’ve noticed that some fictional characters seem to take on a life and a will of their own. Whether this makes them “spirits ” or not I can’t really say with any certainty, so I am more or less in line with you all on this point.

      Great post for April Fools, BTW. This gave me a good laugh.

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Christopher Lung

*applauds*

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Frédéric Zolnet

Aprils fool or not, that is exactly how I see how Chaos Magick should be practiced and how I see my multi year exploration of Solomonic Magick & Spirit Work in general.

Deep enough now in the BS to no longer care if it’s true or not, and seeing that there are many stories to shape the experience of life, all equally valid. If you delve deep enough into BS you discover that everything is BS 😉

And yes, you can read BS many ways…
blessings

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Charles

BS Rules!

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tam

Total BS, eh? That was great! LOL. I am proud of myself, I was like, wait, is he BSing?….before the scroll. Very clever! : )

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