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Eclecticism PART 2 – ARGUMENTS

3earlythothmaguspic-1Part 1 I spoke about why Eclecticism has become a slur and why despite that, I think it is essentially a good thing. In this post we will be looking at some of the arguments against Eclecticism and why I feel that while that many of them point out real issues and dangers on the path, they do not hold enough water to justify not being eclectic anyway.

APPROPRIATION

The first argument, and the one that is getting the most attention right now in the community is cultural appropriation. I spoke a bit about this in the last post and pointed to an article about how appropriation is harmful when it misrepresents a tradition.

Make no mistake, representing a path that you do not belong to, claiming titles you do not legitimately have, and pretending to have initiations you do not,  all damage the tradition and culture that you borrow from. Cultural appropriation is real and harmful. White privilege and the sense of western entitlement is real and harmful. There is no doubt.

I was happy at first to see Pagans and Occultists become more aware of this problem and take it seriously. But as often happens, people run to the opposite extreme. Now people are quick to call any kind of cultural interface or synchretism appropriation.

For example when discussing mindfulness tactics being used by companies and the military a few months ago, someone pointed out that if these techniques are rooted in Buddhism that non-buddhists have no right to use them because that is cultural appropriation and any and all cultural appropriation is wrong. Of course many Buddhists, most vocally the Dalai Lama, actually encourage people to use many of these techniques without actually converting to Buddhism. None of that matters. Its just more evils of appropriation.

When discussing that these techniques work regardless of culture and is a matter of science as much as religion. I compared it to a drug cures cancer being discovered amid Peruvian shamanic medicine. Surely a cure for cancer would be worth taking this Shamanic potion out of its culture and seeing if we can synthesize it to make a drug that cures cancer, right? Nope. According to the person I was speaking to, no one that is not of the race and culture who has undergone the appropriate shamanic prep should ever be allowed to take the drug because to do so otherwise is cultural appropriation and I am showing my white privilege by even suggesting otherwise.

When trying to be mindful of appropriation, sometimes people can over-idealize the idea of a race or culture. In a discussion about Tulpas and the meaning of the term I was hounded about whether I was Tibetan or not, and if not I should shut up. You see this in Vodou, and pretty much every other area as well. There is this assumption that being born a particular race will grant automatic knowledge. It doesn’t.

I am half German, I know WAY less about Runes and Germanic culture than a friend of mine who is Italian and Tunesian but has been studying Runes for 20 years. A Korean Catholic Priest probably knows more about Catholicism than a typical Italian kid. An American who has studied Kung Fu for 30 years is probably better able to teach it than a Chinese guy who has studied it for 10. Knowledge and authenticity are not conferred by race alone.

In my last post someone commented that my experience with Quimbanda was an “appropriation raid”. This is a good example of what I mean. This is a scenario where I had Unverified Personal Gnosis of a spirit that usually requires initiation to contact. Rather than just go nutty, I contacted a Tata (priest) of that tradition and asked for confirmation. The presence was confirmed and I then asked for traditional means of making contact given my situation. I then ordered appropriate supplies from Brazil through one of my students in that country, and moved forward lightly. How is that appropriation?

Anyway, my point is that Cultural Appropriation is real and harmful, but that should not stop all syncretism, cross-pollenization, borrowing, or eclecticism. Respect, intelligence, research, and initiation where appropriate should be the rule to follow.

This is particularly true when it comes to tech vs symbol set. It is one thing to shove Orisha or Tantric Yidams into a Kabbalistic ritual, but it is quite another to adapt modes of offering used in Lukumi and Buddhism and apply it to Ceremonial Magic. The first is bastardizing and misusing the gods of another culture, the second is adopting something that simply works because it works.

DANGER

Another argument against eclecticism is the possibility of danger. I have written about this in the past several times. Again, very real possibility to be mindful of.

Not all techniques or practices are safe when done without guidance. Not all spirits get along with one another. Sometimes guardians are in place to keep out the uninitiated. There are dangers.

In the comments to the last post someone was concerned about dangers arising from two spirits from different pantheons interacting. This is a possibility, but actually pales in comparison to the possibility of two beings of the same pantheon not getting along. Just like people, beings who do not know each other might not get along, but people who actually know each other and have history can really hate each other. Throw Yemeja and Oya in the same ritual, or Aphrodite and Helios, and you are just asking for trouble. If you just read a book or two, or even worse shoving it all into a 777 like sephira set-up, this is stuff that you won’t know.

So again the danger argument makes a legitimate case for danger. The question is: is there enough danger to avoid eclecticism entirely. Not for me.

First, having been involved in traditional paths I have seen plenty of people fall into difficulty and danger even when working within just the one tradition. I have known students studying closely with well-known, ethnically Tibetan, and traditionally enthroned* Tibetan Tulkus, who have had startelingly bad mental and physical difficulties from some of their work.

Second, its simply a matter of being willing to exercise the third power of the sphinx: “to dare”. If you feel the call to do something outside the bounds of tradition, or even engage with two at the same time, you should recognize that there is danger, take any precautions you can, then decide if it is worth the risk. Eleanor Roosevelt urged us all to “do one thing every day that scares you”. Good advice for magic and life in general.

Idiots do dangerous things with no preparation or consideration.
Cowards avoid dangerous things entirely.
The Sorcerer Sage should investigate the danger, prepare themself, and proceed anyway.

MASTERY AND DILLETANTISM

Perhaps the most compelling argument against Eclecticism is the idea of Mastery and Dilettantism. The Masters and luminaries of any one tradition dedicate themselves to one path for a lifetime – isn’t it somewhat disrespectful and silly to think that we can grasp anything meaningful by engaging in many? If one tradition holds enough teachings to occupy you for a lifetime, how dare anyone think that they could handle more than one?

Its a good sounding argument isn’t it? What it does not take into account is level of mastery one actually desires, and the time and work it takes to achieve just that.

Think about it gain great benefits from taking Kung Fu or Yoga three or four nights a week. The effects of going from couch potato to Kung Fu student are remarkable. This is because it does not take a lifetime to gain core competency in the art. You will not however, ever get to be as good as a Shaolin Monk this way. So the question is: Are you being disrespectful to the art by not being a Shaolin Monk and seeking complete perfection of the art, or is it ok and useful to seek competence, and even mastery,without ever achieving that level of perfection. To me, its a no-brainier: mere competency will do wonders.

This is what we are talking about here:

COMPETANCY: Being able to do a thing reasonably well.
MASTERY: Being able to do a thing with consistent excellence and being able to teach that thing to others
PERFECTION: The work of a lifetime.

Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Look back on your training in Sorcery or Magic: at first every class and book is a revelation, every thing you read and every person you speak to has something to teach. Eventually the return on investment slows down. The revelations crop up every so often, and most of your time is spent honing what you know. This continues as you move forward – the returns on time investment diminish. It is true with just about everything.

It’s that pesky Pareto Principle again: 80% of a thing is accomplished by 20% of its resources. 80% of conversations use 20% of languages. 80% of flowers in a garden arise from 20% of the seeds. 80% of sales numbers arise from 20% of customers. Knowing this, you learn what to seek in order to gain competence in an efficient way.

If you seek Mastery then obviosuly it takes more time, but still less than hard-liners would say. In his book Outliers, Malcom Gladwell coined the 10,000 hour rule: that it takes roughly 10k hours to master a skill. Others would say it takes less, and yet others would say that  far time is not the major factor at all. 

In your life there will be one or two things maybe that you wish to devote your life to. Maybe 10 things that you feel the need to Master. But there will be dozens that are useful to gain competency in.

Just as it is important to have people that are single focused on one thing, it is equally important to have people that are focused on drawing connections and making innovations. Many traditions and scriptures that people now consider primary sources and sacrosanct teachings simply because of their age, were once the new-fangled eclectic practices of their day.

 

 

 

 

 

*Note: I did not say competent or honest. You find people within large traditions that have all the credentials you could ever ask for but who are incompetent, dishonest, or both.

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Ulysses

I dunno, I guess this sort of thing is important to some people but I’m starting to drop out a little (this and the Elliot Rodger article). I prefer discussions about methods and tools than ones on morality and politics/social issues. I get that in this context, one is more or less linked to the other but there’s something about the direction of this that is repelling me more than attracting me. Could be that being a parent amplifies the importance of certain things that don’t resonate for those on other life paths (such as I).

I’m commenting because I’m a student of yours and figured the feedback may be of use to you as you continue to give your business shape.

You are of course free to dismiss or appropriate my perspective as you see fit.

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    Inominandum

    I get it, but this is a big issue for some on the tech side of things. Increasingly so as strands of Grimoire purists reach their pinnacle and start slamming GD, Crowley, Chaos, and anything else that is not of whatever they happen to find to be correct.

    It very much is a tech issue.

    But the other thing is that the Blog is not just about the business. I would hate for Strategic Sorcery Blog to be nothing but a reflection of my business – each post designed to support some offering. I don’t shy away from such posts, but I want to make sure that a good chunk of the content is a simple reflection of whatever is going through my mind as a member of the community at large, not just a purveyor.

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Josephine McCarthy

Hey Jason,
That was an excellent article and a well needed one. What is needed next is for someone to write about the fake Indian/Tibetan/African/whatever teachers from those cultures and countries that go west, teach a pile of shit for a pile of money, and tell people it is the ‘sacred secrets’… and then as the teacher ‘trains’ more teachers, the pile of shit suddenly becomes a ‘truth’ that is widely written about and does untold damage.
I once stood in a conference in Oregon, twenty years ago, waiting to give my talk. I listed to a ‘sufi saint’ give his talk. He gave his small group what he said was ‘sacred mantras’ that they should repeat daily to gain health and love. He then started to chant in Urdu. I speak Urdu. What he was saying was no mantra and had nothing to do with ‘health or love’. So I made a point of going up to him at the end and addressing him in regional Urdu. His face was a picture.
Josephine

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Brian Vetter

Excellent article. Thank you for writing this.

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Sarrow

What about the confusion that comes with conflicting paths with conflicting moralities?
What about sometimes its for the community?
Some people belong to a church just for that reason or a mosque.

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John

What about the mythologies that come with each path? How do we reconcile conflicts and confusion from comparisons between path A and path B. Then path C enters the picture.

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    Inominandum

    You have to recognize that myths are mysteries not historical or cosmological facts.

    You have to recognize that there is more behind myth, religion, and spirituality than we know, and more than we can know at this time.

    To give an example I asked the Archangel Michael for his real name once – not one that humans gave or that he revealed to fit a certain culture, but his REAL name.

    He asked if I could speak in twelve tones at once and hear ultra high and low frequencies that are beyond the perception of even animals , cuz if not the answer won’t be useful.

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M.G.

Hello Jason,

As you know I practice in a modern American lineage which prides itself on the extreme niceness of its spirits. The teachers actually encourage syncreticism and experimentation, saying “this system plays well with others.”

Are you (or anyone else reading this) aware of any traditional system -or teacher – or who actually encourages syncreticism and encountering spirits from other paths?

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    Inominandum

    Yes – Buddhism.

    Buddhism never denied the existence of other gods and spirits, it simply sees them as not-eternal or omnipotent.

    In practice Buddhism has always saught to propitiate whatever the local gods and spirits are. There have been times when they are bound, but this is only when they pose a direct threat. But in general Buddhism aknowleges and works with beings from other traditions.

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Sarrow

“He asked if I could speak in twelve tones at once and hear ultra high and low frequencies that are beyond the perception of even animals , cuz if not the answer won’t be useful.”

The only way that would be possible is if you could record it on a machine and play it back.

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    Larry Forde

    You are talking about a multi dimensional life form. This entity exist in more than one place and time at the same time.

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Sarrow

It is the only possibility I can think of to make the answer to the question useful based on the information provided. The only other would be a musical instrument (like a dog whistle) according to the specifications of the said being but then thats just me guessing.

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Paul

Hi Jason,
Nice article, but I would like to go a bit off the topic for a sec. Could you please direct me to the download link for the Advanced Planetary Magic and calls recordings please, I haven’t received a link yet for some reason. Thanks Paul.

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Matt

An interesting thing to consider is that virtually all cultures are eclectic. The ancient Greeks, for example, borrowed ideas, Deities, and practices fro hither and yon to build the culture that we now know as Greek. And they continued to do so over the course of millennia. So, as you said, people in many cases are idealizing other cultures.

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