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MY advice for young occultists

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So there has been a big kurfluffel about Nick Farrells advice for young occultsists and various people critiquing it, and now lots of people issuing their own lists. Its altready overdone and my mind is on other things, but someone specifically asked me to do it because there has not been a really good blog-go-round in a while.

So here than are my few pieces of advice for young occultists.

1. If you CAN do something else, do that. I am serious about this. Most of the world doesn’t even believe that this stuff is real. It is not the best way to get money, sex, power, or anything else. So unless you absolutely, feel a call to this that overshadows just about anything else, spend your time doing something else.

2. If you do feel that call to do it, DO THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF IT. There is noting better then doing what you love, so if you are gonna be about it, then be about it.

3. MEDITATE. I know, I know. It’s the most un-magical thing you can do. You want to get up and shout invocations to the quarters and meditation has you sitting down and shutting up. You want to see strange things and have visions, and meditation tells you to not pay attention to those. You want to talk to the gods and spirits and meditation tells you that if one interrupts your meditation that you should ignore it. Do it anyway. There is nothing you know outside your own mind, so having a clear one is REALLY important.

4. Keep your fantasy like separate from your occultism. It might SEEM like a cool idea to start making talismans in the language from Skyrim, but because magic is itself a subtle thing, and even the best of us can confuse a spirits messages and signs with our own projections, it is almost never a good idea. This is not to say that there is no overlap, or never a place for it, but become an occultist first. Then think about how fantasy and the occult impact each other.

5.Realize that you know a LOT. Because of ease of information you can actually get detailed and more accurate information faster then when I or Nick were your age. Sometimes you won’t have the proper context to process this information, but simply having the access gives you a leg up on where we were. That said information is not wisdom, which will come in time. You can benefit a LOT from having older people take you through the ropes and point out the mistakes that we made, but don’t let that cut you off from the tools and information that we did not have.

6. Make Money a part of your path. I am not talking about becoming a writer or professional occultist. I am talking about making money part of your life’s strategy. Unless you are a Monk or wandering Yogi you are NOT serious about being non-materialistic in your spiritual path, so make it a part of your path. Money is too big a monster to let run amok: if you are not going to banish it, then you have to master it, or it will master you. 

7. KEEP TALKING. Your theories are not fully formed yet, but unless you talk about them, they never will be. Your brain is more flexible than ours is, and if you can manage to take advantage of the experience of your teachers AND the flexibility and vigor of your youth you can break new ground. Everything that I teach today is rooted in stuff that I tossed around with peers and elders when i was in my Teens and 20’s.

8. KEEP QUESTIONING: By all means ask real questions, but there is a method of asking genuine questions that ALSO display how smart and serious you are. If there is one technique that I have used to get people who are older to open up and spill details about higher teachings, it is asking questions that show I know what I am talking about,

That and alcohol….

PS: The pic above is of me and some other occultists with Lama Vajranatha. We took him to the woods, got him beer, then learned some magic. Do stuff like that.

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Chris

Lol, now all your students are gonna be buying you bears at next Crucible and asking you for the secrets of the universe. 🙂

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Hanshishiro

Ok. I’ll even buy you two beers. When is the next Crucible going to happen and where ?

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Andrew Watt

Oh, man. Now I feel like I need to make a list. :-/

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Chris

Project get Jason so drunk he stumbles onto the podium slurring about gnosis at next crucible….is a go.

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Christian de T

I appreciate you using your first point to demonstrate the most important aspect of why one enters into this, at all. Question why do you want to learn it, and being practical in achieving one’s goals.

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Arthur D. Moyer

Crucible is happening on October 3rd, 2015 at the Crown Plaza in Princeton, same place as last year. 🙂

http://www.crucibleconvention.com

I’m sure there will be beer somewhere. Perhaps not bears though….

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Al Billings

Hmm…something in this photo seems familiar…

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Karmaghna

Jason,
I’m a little perplexed by #1. While I agree with you that money, sex, and power (and anything else for that matter) is not best achieved through magic/sorcery, it seems odd to me that you would recommend that occult studies be abandoned if at all possible. While one’s goals may not be best achieved through occult practices, surely they must be an adjuct to those things that are. If they are, why would you suggest that would-be occultists will be better served if they spent their time elswhere? If not, I find it difficult to understand why someone such as youself would choose to devote a great deal of his life to somthing that has no practical value. Perhaps you are only cautioning those who are contemplating making occult studies their primary life ambition. Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you entirely (I’ve been known to get it wrong on many occasions LOL). What say you?

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Karmaghna

Jason,
First off, the phrase “to somthing (sic) that has no practical value” would read much better as “to something that has little practical value.”

Secondly, I’m either an idiot or I have a brain tumor. Of course you are making such a recommendation to someone contemplating making the occult their life’s work. My initial comments were the result of a gut reaction to #1 without taking the totality of your post into consideration. No need to reply, but feel free to use my idiocy as a sounding board to refine your ideas.

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S. A. Smith

TL;DR: If you decide to meditate, be careful with super long sessions/retreats(a month or longer usually) or you could experience adverse psychiatric reactions that can last for years.

In regards to meditation.

I would add to that that people who decide to get into meditation to be very, very careful. In my experience meditation produces very awesome benefits in the beginning of one’s practice(say, if you are sitting about 5-30 minutes a day) and in the case of highly advanced practices(say an hour or two a day with regular retreats that are a minimum of a month or two in length in length).

However, that middle part(when you are just starting with month long retreats, though there are cases where people experience negative results such as suicidal ideation after as little as 10 days in silent retreat, but that is rare) can be really quite dangerous if you aren’t careful. Some examples of problems you can run into are heightened sensory sensitivity,perceptual changes. changes in sense of self(like imagine if you feel like nobody is controlling what you are doing), fear, numbness, and so forth which can last anywhere from a few months to years/decades.

If you would like to hear/read more about this, you can go here(http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2011/09/bg-232-the-dark-night-project/).

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    Al Billings

    This is a little bit fear mongering. Most people don’t have problems and, frankly, the people I know who have done month long retreats are only a handful, other than teachers. Most people do 10 or 7 days (or less) and other than being forced to confront emotional or mental issues they avoid with distraction day to day, they are fine (and this includes me as well).

    Yes, if you have previous and severe psychological issues, long retreats *without competent support* can be dangerous. For most people or, in general, if you have decent support, it isn’t really an issue. Willoughby has a personal stake in all of this having been, from what I can tell (and I was at the Buddhist Geeks conference, heard her speak and met her), been damaged personally on retreat in this way, thus making it her life mission to warn everyone.

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    Al Billings

    By the way, “changes in sense of self” isn’t a problem. It is a goal.

    Meditation isn’t therapy to help you cope with life. It is to let you realize, experientially, the inherent lack of permanence of the self and to hopefully becomes awakened.

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      S. A. Smith

      Re; the “changes in self” not being a problem, I’d say that depends.

      If contemplative practice is primary for you then yes, it is the goal. If you are Buddhist, Taoist, etc, then the type of “changes in self” that meditation can have are pretty awesome.

      On the other hand, say, if you are a kid who wants to learn Goetia and read that some really smart guy with cool friends said you should meditate to get good at magic, then having your sense of self go “poof” is most definitely a bug, not a feature.

      And I wouldn’t call it fear mongering at all. We currently have the perception that meditation is never harmful in any circumstances. It is recommended for almost anything all the time. If anything, I’d say that we need a lot more visibility around the fact that mediation, like any other practice someone can do, can be damaging, especially if you are not engaging in it as part of a larger contemplative practice.

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        Al Billings

        Your example of “a kid who wants to learn Goetia” isn’t going to be doing 30 or 60 day retreats meditating for 12 hours a day. Hell, that kid will be lucky to have the wherewithal to meditate 20 minutes on the days he or she remembers. The people doing these long retreats are committed practitioners and, by and large, are on the path to achieve full realization, not to add some “oomph” to their magick.

        Like I said, fearmongering. I’ve met the person you’re referencing and was there when she was aggressively attacking a variety of Buddhist teachers on stage because they were clearly deficient for not agreeing with her. She’s got issues and I think this is blown out of proportion. That isn’t to say that there isn’t a kernel of truth but something that is a problem for 1 person in 500 (to be charitable) is not that big of a problem.

        You know what happens to most people who get really freaked out in a meditation session? They stop and they don’t come back to it, at least for a while. They don’t normally persist. If they’re working with a teacher, as they should be, they talk to them about it. Very few people are doing long retreats locked in a cabin with no teachers or support folks around.

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          Inominandum

          In case its not clear, I am not commenting because my own feelings echo those of Al. He is more blunt than I am, but his points are all ones I agree with.

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          S. A. Smith

          Understood. In that case, Jason, I will agree to disagree and not argue the point further. My apologies for taking it this far.

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        George Papageorgiou

        Ok, I know this discussion is over but I feel I should add something obvious here.
        The number of people that had serious problems caused by Goetia far outnumbers those who had problems caused by mediation.
        I find the notion that kids should be ok playing around with Goetic demons but they’d better not get mixed up with meditation to be hilarious and deeply disturbing at the same time.

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    Dan

    A friendly word of advice. If you want to be taken more seriously by those who matter I’d recommend not resorting to the triteness of “TL;DR”. It doesn’t do much for anyone’s credibility, which in your case would be unfortunate since your posts are otherwise intelligent and articulate.

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Jay

WOOOOO!!! Skyrim shout out.

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