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On Evaluating People and their Works

It has now been revealed to the world that Pope Francis met with Kim Davis. People are of course losing their freaking minds over this. Liberals feel betrayed, haters feel vindicated,  and people are thrown into a tizzy as they now choose whether to feel completely and totally good about the Pope or completely totally bad about the Pope.

Anyone genuinely shocked by this has not been paying attention to Pope Francis – he is not what you would call liberal or supportive of LGBT issues. While he did NOT call transgendered people nuclear weapons (read the actual quote), he is certainly not an ally.

What I am going to suggest is apparently a radical notion completely foreign to most people in the spiritual community: You can like what he is doing for the poor and the environment and still dislike his statements on LGBT.

This way you can applaud the changes he has made to the church’s positions, which for an organization like the Catholic Church are truly radical and good and at the same time hold his feet to the fire for stances on LGBT issues, birth-control, and a whole host of other things.

You don’t have to choose. It’s true. Try it.

Don’t let your support for LGBT and women’s issues diminish your support for his stances on Poverty, Environment, and Religious tolerance.

Don’t let your support for him on Poverty, Environment, and Religious tolerance ever be a mask for his truly shit statements on LGBT and Women’s issues.

In short, evaluate his work as you would anyone elses: not with a resounding thumbs up or down, but with a nuanced well-considered view.

Then try this with other things.

Politicians, entertainers, community leaders, your favorite occult authors….

It is kind of amazing what happens. You start to see the world as it is, not as one side or another would have you see it. You even start to empathize with these folks for being real people who have habitual patterns and flaws and feelings and all the stuff that makes you and I real people.

Next thing that happens is that you get so used to seeing things this way that your BS detector goes off any time you feel entirely positively or negatively about anyone or anything. This is a good thing.

Here is an exercise for you today: take someone you cannot stand, lsay Donald Trump, and come up with five things that you like about them or support them on. It is actually REALLY easy.

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Inominandum

Five things I like about Donald Trump even though in general I disagree with him and find it an abomination that he is even considered a serious candidate for President….

1. He was against the Iraq invasion from the start and called it what it was: a tragic idiocy. In doing so he also always mentioned Iraqi casualties, not just American casualties. This is a laudable level of compassion.

2. Was for legalization back in the 90s when it was on no-ones radar.

3. Is bringing attention to the pay for play nature of our government.

4. Came out for single payer national healthcare back in 2000, though I am sure he has changed that stance since.

5 Is generally not for supply side economics and has even been applauded by Elizabeth Warren on this.

He is still a detestable prick and we should all be ashamed that he is a frontronner for anything, but here are five things I like about him.

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Bill Nemo

One could extend that Five Things list to Five Alternative Reasons or Models. We all like to jump to conclusions based on our preconcieved notions and guesses. In this case, how many people who are ranting are actually privy to the reasons Pope Francis met with Davis? I am betting none. So, why not also try finding five alternative reasons – other than our first knee jerk assumptions – as to why a person does what they do? Supporting her stance is one possible reason, but there could be others.

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    Inominandum

    I do this everytime I get upset about a national security or foreign policy issue.

    ” I dont get the classified briefings….”

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CM

People have to admit the pope is one hell of an improvement over previous generations – he came out and said that gays do not automatically go to hell and it’s not for him to judge. You simply cannot ask for a pope to support any more than that. Another thing that’s OK – some people will never see homosexuality the way homosexuals do – And they shouldn’t be forced to verbally espouse something they do not believe in, and it’s OK that they don’t believe what you do even if that belief is “bigoted”.. GASP.

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Steve

For bonus points, you could even try to empathize with Kim Davis, even though she’s in the news for doing something you don’t agree with. Why did she do what she did? Why does she feel the way she does? Is there room enough in our country (which is twice the landmass of the Roman Empire) for people like her AND people like you?

A comment I saw on a right-wing blog–

Love the people who admire Pope Francis for embracing the hated actually spitting now that he may have embraced Kim Davis, whom they hate

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Ivy Bromius

Five things I’m surprised to find I actually really like about Boehner:
1. He’s a man who can cry and I appreciate that.
2. All accounts have him as having high integrity, his word is always good.
3. He’s a man of real faith, which I admire even though I don’t particularly agree with his faith.
4. He went to work every day at a really shitty job that he didn’t have to do, and it seems that he kept it up because he felt that it was his duty to try to get shit done.
5. He seems less concerned with his legacy that with the state of his conscience.

As for Pope Francis, he is neither liberal or conservative… he’s Catholic. And he’s never made any claim otherwise. He seems by his words and actions to be a very good Catholic and a good man. But you can’t expect him to be other than he is.

Years ago my husband’s grandmother (who is very Catholic) said: “I don’t vote because there’s no one I can vote for. The Democrats support abortion and the Republicans support the death penalty.” I remember thinking that’d I’d never considered it from that point of view. And though I don’t agree with grandma, I do respect her.

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Mossel

Here is idea. Why not critize your own views and your own gorup and come up with something better on how to improve?

As for Donal trump, I found this. http://fusion.net/story/174515/donald-trump-president-oprah-interview/

As for the two prties not being the same? I would look up those who are supported by the private prision industry. Both sides participate.

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Mossel

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius
For those who wonder how he is getting away with his behavior…..

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Andrew

Don’t believe too much the English translations of what he apparently says on LGBT, a lot seems to be misquotes.
I’ve never read any of his comments or heard him say anything too negative about the LGBT (as opposed to the suspect English translations), in fact he’s preaching for more tolerance, he isn’t advocating LGBT or transgenderism and why should he, but he is trying to make people with opposing views to calm down and accept each other on a more tolerant and civil level than what has been, so you can’t fault him for that at all…I suggest people should question any English translations and stop believing that what is printed in English must be truth truth versus what was actually said in the persons native tongue or language used when making a speech.

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Christopher Lung

You mean I have to think? for myself? but, that’s so HARD!!!

in case it’s not clear, this is sarcasm.

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