Sorcery and Financial Forcasts.

Knowing accurately what the market is going to do depends on knowing, indirectly, millions of other factors – namely, what everyone else decides to do. That’s in sharp contrast to knowing whether X will fall in love with you or whether you’ll get the job or admitted into a good school – those things depend on the decision of one or, at most, a few people.

I actually know someone, who has a pact with a spirit, that gave him enough fortune to live a rich life. Said spirit aided with an investment from a friend’s company. In return, no one must know said spirit’s name, and he must perform daily, uninterrupted offerings for him and other classes of spirits.

So there, if that guy wants to earn a lot of money with the markets. I just gave him clues: offerings, pacts and secrecy.

I should probably pipe up here. I play the markets. I’m a businessman. I am an occultist.

I think the big problem here is one of goals and outcomes: if I were to turn myself into someone like Ackman or Icahn then I would have failed in this life. Accumulating that level of wealth is not my purpose, and $10 billion would have no more meaning to me than $10 million. This is not a judgement on the path that those men walk; rather it is simply a recognition that that would not be the best use of the time I have left.

I know why I am here, mostly. Wealth-building through magical and mundane means is part of my path. To answer your question above I made a five-figure derivative play today as a follow-up to equities purchases that were entered after looking at the fundamentals, technicals, and (for lack of a better term) spirituals.

But you’ll never believe me if I post a follow-up on the web explaining what I invested in, why, and its outcome. And that post may never happen.

Russel Targ led a one week remote viewing experiment in the 70’s for predicting the silver market and was successful. They tried it out just for kicks the first time but every attempt since has failed. Targ concludes that after knowing it could work, the emotionnal attachment to the results is too great to produce accurate predictions, as remote viewing is difficult when the viewer is not emotionnally stable or objective enough.

Concerning playing the market, it’s a myth that great investors win all the time. There are strategies one can use where only 1 out of 5 investments work out and the investor still comes out on top. If you pick your stocks like you would a race horse or lottery numbers, your chances are no better. Gambling is not investing. There are books, videos and courses that teach investing. Serious investors invest first in their education. No need to rely on magick.

*nods at John’s comment.

Best I could do is to generate opportunities and open more options. Still have to work for it to perfect and make it fruitful/profitable. More options to satisfy wealth area may restrict other area. It is up to the person’s contentment/grace whether they can take more along with its burden as well as acumen to make it efficient and look easy.

This has been done. There have been controlled studies using tech to predict markets. Here is a link describing briefly such an experiment: http://www.dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysteries/2014/6/Researchers-Use-ESP-Make-Thousands-Dollars-the-Stock-Market

Exactly. The questions assume from the outset that the rich don’t practice magic. In my experience, many of them do.

Yes, lots of inaccurate assumptions in the original question, several of which you touched on.

One that I think bears further analysis is how divination actually works. The modern view of magic is that it’s not “making stuff happen” so much as a method for odds manipulation toward what you want to happen (which, as you point out, is why you can’t magic your way into winning the lottery).

I view divination similarly. It’s not “seeing the future” so much as it’s reducing future complexity in order to discern upcoming events (note this is in additional to using divination to discover yourself, which is more interesting but not what’s being discussed). For the average person, the stock market is like the lottery — it’s so complicated that it’s hard to discern direction without a lot of pre-knowledge. Asking “will this stock go up or down” is about the same as magic for “make me win the lottery.” Too much complexity, odds too high.

So for those of us who don’t find the stock market interesting or relevant, it’s not a useful target for divination. For those who do know how the market works, I’d think it would be a very interesting target for magic and divination. But as everyone’s been pointing out, if a stock broker is divining or spellcasting his or her way to riches, well you’re not ever going to know about it. Just like if magicians are working for politicians, or governments, or the military — you’re not EVER going to know about it. I have it on good authority that some of that last sentence is absolutely accurate, but being a smart sorcerer / magician / witch means knowing what’s not your business. There’s a reason that “To Be Silent” is one of the four powers.

I have a successful career that I enjoy. Over the years, I’ve used divination and magic in order to direct and build my career. I’ve used it to find and get jobs, make career decisions, and on a daily basis to make my work go better. This includes financial gain, but also stability, challenge, flexibility, and so on. I work less and make more and do more interesting things that others with similar skills and intelligence. I credit my “work” in helping me here. And you can’t get more practical than that.

These statements are such a load of garbage, to me an occultist is like a martial artist, they have to practice there art with a lot of time and discipline. Bruce Lee was one of the most wealthy ones but almost by the end of his life. Most people that are of the top wealth practice nothing, but time , energy and knowledge into it. Some celebrities can get pretty wealthy, this time it is not directly money there invested in but there acting skills which there is a market(the movies biz) that pays well to top actors. Yeah this is a straw man argument I do not take seriously anymore.

Once you know what lays behind the curtain, you are going want to change your priorities in accordance to the territory.

Several years ago I was briefly acquainted with a very successful financial astrologer. Clients in both the US and Europe, multiple houses, etc.

I tracked [her/him] down subsequent to this post. Here is what I found; I think it is very apropos:

“The past year has been a huge struggle.. Years (20) of sitting like a stature [sic] in front of a dozen screens for 14 hours a day watching what can only be called a horror show called NWO trading reality was a very unhealthy lifestyle. It took a toll and it appears that I am destined to die young.. I can look at my attitude even in my youth and say that it would still have been a conscious choice to be the best rather than live to past the age of old.”

Such was the price of success in this particular arena.

A cogent and insightful answer, Jason. Another point I have made to people who have asked similar questions falls under the “most occultists are not driven by money” umbrella. Most occultists are not only not driven by money, but *are* often driven by spiritual and reincarnational realities that may need certain experiences for resolution. They are aware of soul-level lessons they have chosen to learn in this lifetime, and having a lot of money might interfere with the learning of those lessons. For instance, had I not needed money, I probably never would have worked grooming horses at the race track, started any of my businesses, or learned to fix my own car. All of these experiences have brought me considerable personal growth, insight, and spiritual awareness that I would not have had if I had chosen to try for the Forbes richest people list. I am happy. I’ve never lacked for my needs or most of my wants, my life has been rich in many ways that have nothing to do with money, I have seen most of my dreams fulfilled, and made considerable strides in my personal development. What more could one ask from magic?

Can someone help me find this interview?